Re: The Movie Thread

**DaveB** Sun 17 Dec 2017, 15:18

Hard to say after one viewing but I’m leaning towards preferring Last Jedi to Force Awakens but there really isn’t much in it.

Ste Mon 18 Dec 2017, 08:58

DaveB wrote:Hard to say after one viewing but I’m leaning towards preferring Last Jedi to Force Awakens but there really isn’t much in it.

Same, I think Last Jedi is better than TFA, mainly because it felt more of an original story compared to New Hope 2.0 aka The Force Awakens. It was by no means perfect though. Overall I had a lot of fun watching it, but thought they could have slimmed it down by 15 minutes or so and the film would be no worse for it.

**Kes** Mon 18 Dec 2017, 09:48

I thought it majorly sucked. Can't understand why anyone likes it at all

Ianm Mon 18 Dec 2017, 09:53

Kes wrote:I thought it majorly sucked. Can't understand why anyone likes it at all

I wouldn't go quite that far but I agree it was a bit rubbish. I left feeling underwhelmed and wanting my money back. My overall rating would be "ok if you want to waste 2 and half hours of time"

AntW Mon 18 Dec 2017, 10:22

In Short, the good parts was really good, but the bad parts was really unredeemabley bad... Might need to watch it a second time.

There was one part in particular.

Spoiler:

Rey and Ren we're the highlight of the movie, seeing them develop was great. But movie was too long..

Super Spoiler: Random Thoughts:

Practically the whole first hour could have gone with no change..
Why when Poe showed up in a single fighter, did any of the many star destroyers not just launch their fleet and annihilate him? Then in the ensuing space battle, none of the other star destroyers engage and just sat while their dreadnought got blown up? Or did I miss something?
Casino Jumaji Escape was horrible. Film was doing so well to avoid CGI animals, and then that...
"Now its worth it" line was pure cringy garbage..
Benicio del toro did great with his the 3 or 4 lines he had.
Fucking Space Leia...
Hyperspace bit was cool looking, but cant help but think why wasn't that the whole plan to start with..
How did DJ even know about the plan to launch the small ships? And Finn seemed to know too?
Really liked how Poe kept trying to be heroic and it just failed at every time. But why didn't the purpled haired lady just tell him we're going to this planet, they cant see the small ships?
Snoke. So many questions.... He was so powerful in the force he could force Hux to the ground from another ship.. I hope we get to see his past, how can he be so powerful and yet no-one knows about him? His death was too soon, but I think I liked how it happened.
The manipulation by snoke was cool, nice to see other force powers like the linking too.
The fight with the royal guards was great! Very dirty and visceral, how I would expect lightsaber fights to have actually gone, vs the prequel's slow-paced duels
Why did they land the Ram Cannon so far back it was out of range?
Poe peeling off instead of being heroic was a nice development for his character.
It was the right time for Finn to sacrifice himself, but his side-chick couldn't bare being alone anymore, so she had to stop him saving everyone.
Good job it didn't matter, cause the "Crystal Critters" saved the day! Good job the FO parked so far away they had plenty of time to escape!
Final Fight with Luke vs Kylo, not a fan. Was very obvious to me he wasn't really there, and he would die doing it. With Kylo mentioning "cant be that, you'd die" comment the first time they force link, the Random "Its salt" comment, and the multiple closeups of their feet..
Fucking stupid looking penguin things, Blue Milk from the alien cows.. lol.
Why was Luke living on an island that was basically Amish toad in the hall.
What was with the Super Dark side evil anus hole, that amounted to absolutely nothing? Was expecting Rey to have to something when she fell in.. fighting her inner demons maybe?
That said, the mirror thing was cool and freaky, even if it was a bit like that magic mirror from harry potter.
Broomkid? That was a weird end scene. It bugged me his secret hidden rebel code ring was open so everyone would be able to see he is a Rebel.
10 People plus broomkid vs the entire First Order, seems unlikely to go anywhere..

**Lizzy** Mon 18 Dec 2017, 11:31

I thought it was an embarrassing mess of nonsensical bullshit.

**Admin** Mon 18 Dec 2017, 12:01

Lizzy wrote:I thought it was an embarrassing mess of nonsensical bullshit.

That's a twist right?

**Admin** Mon 18 Dec 2017, 13:27

Spoilerific reply - hidden...

Spoiler:

AntW wrote:
Rey and Ren we're the highlight of the movie, seeing them develop was great. But movie was too long..

The Length did not bother me at all - and I sat through 2.5 hours of the Force Awakens before it...

Super Spoiler:

**Lizzy** Mon 18 Dec 2017, 15:51

Aneurin wrote:
Lizzy wrote:I thought it was an embarrassing mess of nonsensical bullshit.

That's a twist right?

I wasn't expecting it tbh! I expected it to at least make sense.

Super Spoiler:

**DaveB** Mon 18 Dec 2017, 16:33

Spoiler spoiler there are spoilers here:

So I'm really not looking at getting into an argument about the film but I can offer a few points...

if ships can hyperspace through things... why not just hyperspace through the Death Star or Star Killer base... would have saved a few lives in the process... great visual but silly story telling.

It's established pretty early on (in A New Hope!) that objects in Hyperspace can interact with objects in "normal" space:

"Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"

And one could easily point out that a cash-strapped rebellion can't really afford to turn their one big ship into a mobile battering ram - of course that's no explanation as to why they didn't try that with the other ships shortly before they ran out of juice... Or why the giant ship's shields didn't black it... unless they want to trot out that fractional refresh rate bollocks from TFA

I can certainly see that being a pretty effective tactic though - large projectile impacting at greater than lightspeed will carry a lot of inertia...

So the real question is why neither side had been using such tactics already?

Oh and regarding Akbar - apparently he was killed off without saying anything as the voice actor died... last year I think - certainly since his cameo in TFA

My main issues with the film were:

A lot of the humour felt forced and unnecessary. I particularly didn't like Hux the Space Hitler being turned into a member of the Three Stooges, but a lot of the humor was just too much IMHO
Leia's space.... thing? As far as I know all this stuff was intentional, filmed before her untimely passing and certainly wouldn't have been easy to film around as Aneurin said, but it was just... silly. I would honestly have preferred that was how Leia went out. The already established she had at least a subconscious connection to the force, that was enough IMHO - what she did was just.... silly.
Finn's side quest was just pointless - it felt pretty much like it had been tacked on to give him *something* to do in the film.

But ultimately, I really enjoyed the film despite its flaws - what was good was *really* good and what was bad really didn't bother me that much.

**Lizzy** Mon 18 Dec 2017, 16:48

Seems to me like everyone agrees about all the ways the film was terrible. Just some people enjoyed it anyway and others didn't

Ianm Mon 18 Dec 2017, 19:03

Yeah. Mixed feelings. I am curious about the other jedi trainees that left with Kylie.

Ianm Mon 18 Dec 2017, 19:04

Meant to say kylo but think I will stick with Kylie

**Admin** Mon 18 Dec 2017, 19:06

Ianm wrote:Meant to say kylo but think I will stick with Kylie

I guess that's the problem - the story before this current one seems like it would be a better story. Never felt that about the original trilogy. Never needed to know how Vader became himself... or how the emporoer came to power because the story that was presented held its own.

Ianm Mon 18 Dec 2017, 19:32

Yup. Shit script writing

SamVS Mon 18 Dec 2017, 22:17

I can't really sum up this movie. I can only think of it as an enormous jumble of specific things I liked and specific things I did not. You can see a lot of hands trying to make their impression on this one. Things it did well in one scene it would do badly in the next, from conversations to CGI to enviroments. I found the intro to be a high point, but the next hour or so was a real slog. I don't think the film quite managed to fully pull itself out by the end, but there were certainly moments of brilliance. These were some of the things that had stuck in my mind a day after seeing it:

Spoiler:

Some more thoughts from today:

Spoiler:

SamVS Mon 26 Feb 2018, 01:22

Black Panther is pretty good:

All the major supporting characters, friends and villians, have a ton of personality and charisma. Klaw and Shuri are my favourites. T'Challa himself is kind of boring though — a pretty passive hero most of the time.
The enviroments and costumes are better than anything Marvel has done before. They're vibrant, detailed and original, and really drew me into this fictional, afro-futurepunk culture. The image generally looks somehow richer that other blockbusters, too. A really attractive movie... except when it gets CGI heavy. Most scenes with T'Challa suited up look pretty bad. This just exacerbates the biggest problem with the film, which is...
The black panther suit really is the most boring superpower yet put to screen. It's just a magic costume that comes out of his arse and activates god-mode. Most scenes with the black panther might as well be video of a plastic action figure knocking over rag dolls. Then he has his purple energy fart, that knocks out eveyone nearby, just to make sure there is no possibility of an interesting or tense fight while he is in costume.

Thankfully, most of the film is not really about this, but it really drags down the final act.

Felt the same as with Wonder Woman: really good, until near the end, then it sucks.

Also, if this movie had a theme or a message, please explain to me what it was.

**Kes** Mon 26 Feb 2018, 08:15

Agree Sam, good movie but still some glaring issues.

Sponsored content